So every current ivy player should now have at least one grad year to make five (subject to guys who age out although i imagine thats rare) and if they happen to loose two seasons they can use the old rules?
Does make staying for degree look better?
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Yes I think it will marginally help Ivy retention particularly those who might transfer after 3 years (now with the option to graduate in 4 then play a higher-level grad year). Not sure how much it decreases transfers after frosh or soph year.
I think it really helps the high academic kid who might be able to graduate in 3 and then do two full paid grad years even if its a one year degree which we all know is very difficult to actually study for etc in a packed power schedule, maybe an mba using summers.
So much optionality now if you start at ivy, most of these kids wont got deals out of hs
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Dartmouth has the quarter system so they could offer the option of kids graduating naturally in 3 calendar years and then having 2 years of NIL options. Hoping that sways a couple horses north!
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This article explains why the 5 in 5 rule may actually benefit the Ivies.
(shared article)
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Evan Boudreaux is the perfect examples of this, got a masters of technology from Purdue, five years at Deloitte and just started mba at tuck
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Can a kid now technically play 5 years in an Ivy?
If I’m not mistaken, what the Ivy League strictly prohibits is students on graduate programs to be part of athletics. And it’s true that under regular circumstances, you are required to graduate in 8 terms. But technically, a student-athlete could now enroll in a special 5-year undergraduate program (for example a 3-2 dual degree program, GS + engineering), and with the 5-in-5 rule, play 5 years at an Ivy without breaking Ivy league rules, no?
I’m not saying this will be the norm, and might not be used (depending if you can transfer to those programs during a regular undergrad), but I think it might be technically possible.
No, that would be impossible under Ivy “rules,” which contavene the NCAA new 5 for 5. As to this helping the Ivy, that won’t happen, as almost all really good players will leave after 2 years and the Ivy will rely on 18 and 19 year olds to play against 23 year olds in the tourney.
Penn has the world renowned M&T program which is five years. Start recruiting very tall kids from China and India
Whatever happened to Michael Wang? I had great hopes for that guy, but he just couldn’t stay healthy.
Wang signed with Chinese Basketball Association’s Guangzhou Loong Lions in 2021, though the team allowed him to complete his senior season at Penn between 2021 and 2022. In 2022, the team signed a 3-year contract with him, though he was injured ahead of the 2022–23 season and did not play.[9][10] He debuted for the team on 1 November 2023 in a 104–117 loss against Beijing Royal Fighters, clocking in for 2 minutes as a substitute.[11]
Wang was traded to Xinjiang Flying Tigers in a player swap deal on 21 January 2024.[12] He would be part of the Xinjiang team that advanced to the finals of the 2023–24 Chinese Basketball Association season, but the team lost 0–4 against Liaoning Flying Leopards in the finals.[13] Wang left the team as a free agent at the end of the 2023–24 season.[14] Wang has not played professionally since.
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hs recruiting is improving for the IL
i argue it is for yale on balance tho it is hard to firmly know until well past the covid bump which produced some overlooked gems
but i believe it is improving for obvious reasobs
this can create entertainment value as i was starting to lose interest watching the wolfs and celiscars walk
and penn getting obliterated in ncaas
sign of times this aint the yale/princeton competitiveness on that stage anymore
but, you cant be competitive in the ncaas when your talent leaves to play for them as 4th or 5th years
yales rise in 2016 and push against duke at ncaas in 2h showed the value of playing men against boys even if boys are diaper dandies
now they take your boys as men and add some diaper dandies
you play them round 1
we are toast
Look, no Ivy is likely to have beaten that Illinois team, but you can’t ignore that Penn’s 2 best players, both transfers, were non-factors due to illness (Power) and injury (Roberts). Had those two been playing, their ability to create shots and hit both 3s and FTs might have made it a game. I think Penn has the best Ivy strategy for winning an NCAA game–recruit power conference washouts with talent.
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Penn’s loss to Illinois also illustrates the downside to the Ivy Tournament. Penn rode a hot player to an upset OT win over Yale and made the NCAA tournament as a low seed, facing one of the top teams. Yale would have had a higher seed and a better chance to win some games. I support the Ivy Tournament because it makes the regular season meaningful for most of the teams and is independently a great experience but it comes at a cost.
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I think Penn was under seeded (and Illinois was absolutely underseeded). They played good competition well last year despite having killer injuries. To an extent, that’s partially due to the late finish of the Ivy Tournament, something that will move up a day this year. But yes, any conference tournament means a lower ranked team will be the winner and the Ivies were the last holdout without a conference tournament. Look, if it weren’t for the fact that academics control the identity of the conference and not sports, it would be strongly advantageous for the Ivies to expand—just about every non-Power academic school would salivate at the chance to be in the Ivies just for the association with that title. And with more schools, they could re-design the tournament to give the regular season winner an advantage. And, of course, it would help with the Ivies’ main problem–no one will play them at their buildings.
Certainly will be interesting to see if we can make it a semblance of a competitive game when we open the season at Illinois.
Yale would have entered the tourney as a legit 5 seed and had a first round chance. Penn healthy had no shot at Illinois. I am not certain that we will see another Ivy 12 seed given the move to 76 teams and the lack of certainty that we will see the likes of Hinton,Mbeng and Pouli stick around. It will look like go to Y-H-P for 2 years and get access to the alumni network and then go to UNC, ND,etc and make $$$ for 3 years. Tough to deny.
I think you mean Yale would have entered as a legitimate 12 seed, thereby playing a 5 seed.
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Illinois should not have been a 3 seed—tied for first in the Big 10, at worst a 2 seed.
that might be true on both fronts
but yale wasnt competitive on the road against bama who was without its best player
it is all swimming against a rip tide. maybe penn does it better
maybe they all recruit deeper and better but young rosters also
doesnt change my point tho. the tide runs against all
and shoutout to harvard duting their run
hyp were nationally competitive in the ncaas for a long spell
those were the days…