Questionable legal authority, but we’ll see how it goes.
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I have signed an Executive Order today ordering Princeton to demolish the Hanger and build a Yuge Ballroom that can double as a basketball arena.
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Don’t tell anyone about the underground bunker, it’s a security matter. Needed a safe space from Penn fans showing displeasure by the last 10 years.
LOL! The absurdity of our times makes satire impossible.
let’s limit the President to five years of eligibility.
SNL writers are overloading.
good on trumpy! my old general cousel who is a legal genius says wont hold.
but until congress does something; IL will outrecruit their 30 year mean and lose players. there are just so many good players in grassroots now which enables that
JJ confirmed in his interview what i said all year.
they get older and we stay the same age…kind of the inverse of what you heard in dazed and confused
not an ideal recipe unless you can get transfers which JJ acknowledged as well. good for penn relative
is what it is…
It’s not close to enforceable.
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these two quotes give you the lens or framework by which to view ivy league hoops in larger landscape now and likely
i hope it isnt a 35 point delta in round 1 bur wldnt be surprised if that is trend unless congress slows transfer but i wont hold my breathe
yale got housed by bama at bama who didnt play great and was without best player
penn got ownes in round 1
it is a developmental league with less great guard play by and large and will remain so unless something changes with perhaps the occasional star alignment. only perhaps
Leaving aside the universal truth of the “Dazed and Confused” line, the only things that will ever give the Ivies any chance at all in the Tournament going forward are transfers and the 3 point shot. There are too many Powers in the Power 4 to ignore—4-5 star recruits who for whatever reason don’t cut it at that level and can reclaim their game in the Ivies. And, of course, the 3 point shot is the “punchers’ chance.” But the ability to play a close game, much less win, is far less likely now.
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How many are coming to the ivies? Cmon.
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Every year there are no more than 10 teams that legitimately have a realistic shot at an NCAA championship out of the 365 D1 basketball colleges. There are 8 Ivies and approximately 70 P4 schools. In today’s world with NIL and “pay to play” budgets, where do the Ivies fit in. My guess is that the best Ivy programs are in the top third of the country. What do you think?
We all want the Ivy League to be competitive in the NCAA tournament. That’s why we are on this blog. Nobody else cares. School presidents and even the ADs don’t care that much. They hope the league is competitive and the teams do reasonably well in the non-conference games but that’s about it. You know who else doesn’t care? Most Ivy League basketball alums, especially those 50+ years old. And those are the people programs need to support NIL, which they won’t do in any meaningful way. They embraced no scholarships, work study and summer jobs and all the other challenges of playing in the Ivy League. They are now successful, rich and hope their school wins but not enough to spend significant cash on it. Most just don’t like the idea of giving a kid $250k to play basketball and in most cases won’t ever do it.
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Lot of truth here.
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Actually, I would venture that 50+ alumni have far more interest in Ivy basketball than any other group. They go back to when the Ivies were still competitive in Division 1 and played a schedule of what now are Power Conference teams. Ivy student bodies since the '90s are completely different from the kids who went in the '60s-80s. There are far more women, foreign students and the standards for getting in are so restrictive that they do not favor sports fans. But financing sports teams has little to do with having a large number of alumni making regular nice sized gifts. It depends on billionaire alumni deciding to finance the team on his or her own. See, St John’s,
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Having interest isn’t the same as putting money in the NIL pot. You’re right about billionaire donors, but that’s not the norm. The cash comes in $100k increments and I just don’t think our league has enough people willing to do it every year. It’s not because the wealth isn’t there and it’s not because the Ivy League ADs frown upon it. It’s largely because Ivy League hoops donors, who happily donate to the team’s operating fund and take a tax deduction, just don’t want to give their money to a basketball player. The league won’t ever stop the $1mil + transfer but might be able to keep the next group of players from transferring. That said, if the league loses 4-5 players each year, nobody cares other than us. James’ earlier comments about Yale suggest the same thing.
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I generally agree with what you are saying, but my point is that $100,000 donations don’t move the needle anyway in terms of keeping players or competing with Power conference teams. But the guys who either wash out or don’t get a chance at that level (guys like Power) might find the Ivies a valid choice to get playing time and with the right connections better future prospects.
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Yes, I hope so too. I also think that the Ivies have to get comfortable with having a kid for only 2 years. It’s hard to accept personally, but I think that has to be a scenario that coaches plan for and are very transparent about.
How much are these kids (basketball players) actually getting now and near future (estimates)? This conversation seems to be predicated on the assumption that an Ivy degree is less valuable or carries little weight in the big picture. Am I understanding this correctly? Is it really about the lack of scholarships? I know a kid that got a scholarship (full ride) to Stanford plus a $125k per year “pay to play” deal. NIL money TBD. This kid is a top 100 player in HS this year (25-26 season). AJ was tops in NIL valuation at approximately $4.5m. Most basketball players were not even close to AJ. Are the Ivies not selling their value enough to convince quality talent to stay verses short term dollars that are not measured in the millions ($)?
A kid like Xaivian Lee wants to be a pro. Florida paid him about $2 mil. He wants to get paid to play pro basketball somewhere for the next 10 years. He doesn’t want to be an investment baker or a lawyer so a degree from Princeton doesn’t have the same value as it does for a lot of students. When he’s done playing hoops, he’ll figure out what he wants to do. There are still plenty of kids who value the degree and want to play for Princeton for 4 years but it’s not Lee or any of the recent big NIL $ transfers. In my opinion, Lee hurt his NBA chances this year. But he got $6mil and he’s still going to be a pro somewhere, which was the most likely outcome anyways. The P4 schools seem to pay $10-15mil NIL. A good player can get paid. Celiscar is supposedly getting $1.5mil.